Curse

Mireles · May 27, 2010, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk

Dear Gurus,

Today, over 3700 accounts were banned due to botting and use of third-party programs. Let's take a moment and really break down how and why nearly half of the populous of this dying online community spontaneously combusted.

Arena-Net has offered us so many lovely content additions in the recent history, such as costumes, NPCs to talk trade useless crap for other useless crap, ways to change our character from a down-syndrome having asian infant, and finally the War in Kryta quest chain. These additions have molded the community from a dying game, to a dying game that the players realize won't get better. I understand GW2 is on the rise, but that's been the case for 2 years without any love for the original, and will continue to be the case for months to come. With this being said, what do the players with 3-5 years under their belt have to do? Repeat missions, vanqs, dungeons? Needlessly grind out speed clears (which Anet failed at attempting to shut down)? Or maybe participating in nerdy e-peen battles on a nightly basis with the same morons every night in HA? THIS my friends, is precisely why people bot. It makes the game fun again. Personally, I've achieved GWAMM, r8, g3 on my own, no bot help. I moved to PvP because there was nothing else left to do in PvE. When PvP becomes redundant, you simply move on (botting). An evolutionary process mediated by A-net themselves.

For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it. Honestly, when something becomes meta (obviously botting was), this community of ours nestles into it wholeheartedly. So basically, my point is this: Anet killed this game by not updating it enough. Without enough content updates, or micro-transactions, or anything that normal, successful MMOs employ to keep their game active, this game died out. 15 minute zaishen wait times in HA, empty districts in PvE zones, etc... BEFORE the ban-o-mania. Just imagine what the future months will behold.

I would just like to note with this post, that the people that botted, didn't necessarily bot because they wanted a maxed title, or money, or fame, or glad, etc.. etc... Personally... I just didn't know what else to do... Second GWAMM? ok.. bot account wide titles (treasure, luxon.) Bot eotn titles. Who cares? I've done them already... If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game. Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is. If Anet sticks to this concept of an MMO.... even if it is more like WoW (.... zzzzz), who is going to play it? You think I'm gonna buy GW2 after filling my HoM legitimately, getting gwamm, r8, g3 legit? After 5000+ hours of gameplay? I can't imagine so. Because truthfully, with the effort put into GW1 in the last few years, why would I expect anything more from GW2 once they design it? A re-skinned, re-written WoW isn't going to do anyone any good, especially when the Arena Net team won't be adding new content updates every couple of months like WoW does... As BAD as WoW is... it's better than GW... because the designers actually give a damn. =/ sad news for Guild Wars today.

Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is.

and we thought the QQing about Shadow Forum was bad... behold its successor

Balcu · May 28, 2010, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Nothing of value was lost. Good riddance to worthless cheats. Hopefully you'll realize you reap what you sow.

GG, Anet

cebalrai · May 28, 2010, 01:14 AM // 01:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk

Dear Gurus,

Today, over 3700 accounts were banned due to botting and use of third-party programs. Let's take a moment and really break down how and why nearly half of the populous of this dying online community spontaneously combusted.

Arena-Net has offered us so many lovely content additions in the recent history, such as costumes, NPCs to talk trade useless crap for other useless crap, ways to change our character from a down-syndrome having asian infant, and finally the War in Kryta quest chain. These additions have molded the community from a dying game, to a dying game that the players realize won't get better. I understand GW2 is on the rise, but that's been the case for 2 years without any love for the original, and will continue to be the case for months to come. With this being said, what do the players with 3-5 years under their belt have to do? Repeat missions, vanqs, dungeons? Needlessly grind out speed clears (which Anet failed at attempting to shut down)? Or maybe participating in nerdy e-peen battles on a nightly basis with the same morons every night in HA? THIS my friends, is precisely why people bot. It makes the game fun again. Personally, I've achieved GWAMM, r8, g3 on my own, no bot help. I moved to PvP because there was nothing else left to do in PvE. When PvP becomes redundant, you simply move on (botting). An evolutionary process mediated by A-net themselves.

For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it. Honestly, when something becomes meta (obviously botting was), this community of ours nestles into it wholeheartedly. So basically, my point is this: Anet killed this game by not updating it enough. Without enough content updates, or micro-transactions, or anything that normal, successful MMOs employ to keep their game active, this game died out. 15 minute zaishen wait times in HA, empty districts in PvE zones, etc... BEFORE the ban-o-mania. Just imagine what the future months will behold.

I would just like to note with this post, that the people that botted, didn't necessarily bot because they wanted a maxed title, or money, or fame, or glad, etc.. etc... Personally... I just didn't know what else to do... Second GWAMM? ok.. bot account wide titles (treasure, luxon.) Bot eotn titles. Who cares? I've done them already... If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game. Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is. If Anet sticks to this concept of an MMO.... even if it is more like WoW (.... zzzzz), who is going to play it? You think I'm gonna buy GW2 after filling my HoM legitimately, getting gwamm, r8, g3 legit? After 5000+ hours of gameplay? I can't imagine so. Because truthfully, with the effort put into GW1 in the last few years, why would I expect anything more from GW2 once they design it? A re-skinned, re-written WoW isn't going to do anyone any good, especially when the Arena Net team won't be adding new content updates every couple of months like WoW does... As BAD as WoW is... it's better than GW... because the designers actually give a damn. =/ sad news for Guild Wars today.

Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is.

So basically it's Anet's fault that you botted. The fact that you willfully broke the rules for weeks/months/years doesn't mean you should be held responsible for anything, eh?

I for one am glad that the community is now without the botters. A smaller community that plays for real is much more preferable than a large community with heaps of bots.

Don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out.

cormac ap dunn · May 28, 2010, 01:25 AM // 01:25

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Now this is what amuses me. That when this event happens, people who were formerly friends, or at least neutral towards each other, are at each others' throats. You're not as good of a person as you'd like to believe.

Same thing happened with Valve's idler deal, by the way.

please don't take my words as a direct attack of just you. i just expect that as a member of this community (and yes ban or not you ARE a member of this community) you would act with as much decorum, respect and appreciation for this place you have called home, and these folks you called friends as you did before said acts. I suppose this is more an expression of a loss of respect, not for the actions you took, but for the manner in which you carried yourself upon your ban. Not intended as an attack, meant as a statement of disappointment man. and as someone who reads these forums and tries to appreciate the opinions of those who use them with proficiency, the loya members that turn ugly are the biggest slight.

Ninja Ninja · May 28, 2010, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

What exactly is wrong with my manner? That I defended my actions with the same manner of speech that you apparently respected?

Or is it that once I've had an account banned, everything I say is now null and void?

I am as disappointed in this community's response as you are in me, give or take.

You do understand you signed an EULA contract with anet saying they will ban you for botting right?

cormac ap dunn · May 28, 2010, 01:36 AM // 01:36

fair enough, but as i said, you are still a member of this community. rather then take this as an opportunity to defend (the attacks are a tad immature at this rate, and the topic is getting obscured)use it asa place to resolve your actions, with a community, that like it or not, you helped make stronger. you will likely still log on here (at least i hope) and that means that seeing your fellow guru members as equals means stepping up to your failings, like it or not, with age and contributions comes a pinch more respect and a heap of forgiveness/understanding. nothing says this is the end of your run on guru, unless you let it be the end of your run.

Turbo Ginsu · May 28, 2010, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

You do understand you signed an EULA contract with anet saying they will ban you for botting right?

Thing everyone needs to remember foremost at the moment though, is that he didn't sign one with Guru saying that he'd leave if that happened, nor did any of the botters.

Did he bot? He did. And he's been punished, as have all those who have had their accounts justly banned in this botters holocaust. They did wrong, regardless of the fact that we were telling them all along that it was going to jump up and bite them on the arse, and hell yea they paid for it. And it was just, and it was funny, and we all laughed.

IMO, the botters have committed the crime, and have been punished, and that should be that. If they decide that they want to stay part of the Guru community, they have the right. If they decide to buy another GW account, and keep it clean and above boards, then they have just as much right to do so.

IMO, the definition of a botter is not someone who has been caught and punished for it, they're out of the picture until they re-offend. A botter is anyone currently botting.

We all need to remember that all of these folk who've messed up deserve to be given the chance to do it right, not just slammed every time they make a post, give an opinion, or hell, show their face in public.

For the ex-botters: Keep it clean and legit and I have no problem whatsoever with you.

Amaurosis · May 28, 2010, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

And I don't protest the ban. It's ArenaNet's choice, one they've made.

I explain only that I believe my actions were perfectly fine and justified.

You don't protest the ban, yet you feel as though your actions were fine and justified

? What justifies your actions if they go against the EULA? Absolutely nothing. Just because you came to the conclusion that farming is boring and repetitive is far from a justifiable reason(in any sense of the word) to bot.

Inde · May 28, 2010, 01:52 AM // 01:52

I don't know if this really needs to be said, but we don't ban or restrict an account on Guru because of something that happens in game. Long standing policy that first stretched into our Ventari's Sell forum in the early day.

There are many of us who come and go in this game. Who leave for a while and come back. Who are banned for various reasons in game. Who simply trade their accounts (I know I'm listing EULA violations here) but are still a part of this community. A community develops over time to become more than the game. Guild Wars was simply our starting point and why we gathered in the first place. I'm getting poetic here, but if our IRC room is any indication, if this forum is any indication, we all stick around because we have friends, we like to debate and discuss, we like to stir up a bit of trouble or reminisce. I, personally, even though I'm not your head admin anymore stick around because this is a community that I like, even with all its flaws.

Amaurosis · May 28, 2010, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by Turbo Ginsu

If they decide that they want to stay part of the Guru community, they have the right. If they decide to buy another GW account, and keep it clean and above boards, then they have just as much right to do so.
We all need to remember that all of these folk who've messed up deserve to be given the chance to do it right, not just slammed every time they make a post, give an opinion, or hell, show their face in public.

Some are here with the intent to harass this forums instead of remaining a part of it. I doubt a large portion of these players would care to start another account, realizing the time they drained as a result of their bans.

They would only deserve a second chance if it was an accident. They were well aware of what they were doing and did it anyway, giving them a warning is perposterous

Ninja Ninja · May 28, 2010, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

I believe my actions were justified.

What gives you the right to get an unfair advantage over players that play the game legitimately?

CronkTheImpaler · May 28, 2010, 01:54 AM // 01:54

I dont have much of a dog in this hunt but why not pile on for the sake of piling on right? I have to admit it is some seriously funny stuff seeing people try to explain away why they botted.

Botting was the next logical step in the game?? WTF... lmao. thats like saying my job got boring so stealing just seemed the next logical step.
Its like the kid i caught stealing once.. he just couldnt give me enough reasons why... i mean that kid went on and on why it was ok..

Cronk

ps... i am very amazed at some of the people that got the Dhuum scythe. Alot of major league E-Peens met the blade.

Zahr Dalsk · May 28, 2010, 01:55 AM // 01:55

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

What gives you the right to get an unfair advantage over players that play the game legitimately?

Advantage in gaining cosmetic shinies? Moreover, cosmetic shinies that most players already have? I'm not sure that's an advantage.

Amaurosis · May 28, 2010, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Let me ram it through your thick skull.

I believe my actions were justified.

I also believe that as they were a breach of the EULA, ArenaNet is perfectly well within their rights to ban one of my accounts.

Please make some sense since I have a hard time understanding if that is the case. You said you don't protest the ban. On the other hand you say you believe your actions were justified. If you actually believed they were justifiable then they wouldn't have resulted in a ban, now would they?
Justified actions = breach of the EULA?

Raven Wing · May 28, 2010, 01:57 AM // 01:57

Zahr Dalsk defined his own rules for Guild Wars. We could maybe agree that his rules were a response to a stale game and ought to be implemented in it. That is, anet should have implemented some functions to automate trivial tasks. But if you define your own rules and use extra software to implement them while ignoring the official rules it can oanly lead one way.
Cheat.
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get away with it because anet doesnt seem to care for months......
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anet wakes up and makes a dhuum party to do the long overdue bans, wish i was there to watch!

Cheat is cheat, enjoy your ban!

Ninja Ninja · May 28, 2010, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Advantage in gaining cosmetic shinies? Moreover, cosmetic shinies that most players already have? I'm not sure that's an advantage.

Cosmetic shiny items is the main end game goal of gw.
The reason why you liked botting was farming which you used to make money but you realize that if bots were legal then everyone could bot which would make farmed items worthless thus killing farming altogether.

CronkTheImpaler · May 28, 2010, 02:04 AM // 02:04

rules are not infintile. We are a society of rules and laws. You can cheat all ya want. Spend a little time playin an FPS and youll be absolutely inundated with hackers. HOWEVER its still cheating.

Rules are black and white by their very nature. They are suppose to be. If you find rules that are gray, then you have found some really crappy rules. Rules are not suppose to be debatable, they are to be followed.

On a totally different topic, how did the game become more fresh or interesting by using bots?? I would think that would be the very definition of boredom.

Cronk

Aias · May 28, 2010, 02:07 AM // 02:07

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Originally Posted by CronkTheImpaler

On a totally different topic, how did the game become more fresh or interesting by using bots?? I would think that would be the very definition of boredom.
Cronk

Bots do all the dirty farming work. While they're working, you can do stuff in the game that you couldn't afford to do before, with time you'd normally be spending doing the farming grind.

Ninja Ninja · May 28, 2010, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by Aias

Bots do all the dirty farming work. While they're working, you can do stuff in the game that you couldn't afford to do before, with time you'd normally be spending doing the farming grind.

Yeah but if everyone did this in the bots perfect world where its legal then the items would have no worth so they would make no money.

Oster · May 28, 2010, 02:11 AM // 02:11

So are we all angry that he's calling this game dead? He's got some valid reasons. We do get bad updates that don't add anything to the game. We haven't had something refreshing since everyone discovered JQ. He's right that the game gets dull fast. Farming titles and grinding gets boring even though Anet likes to say that guild wars is against level grinding, it makes up for it in super grinding for everything else.

Although I disagree with the idea that a lack of enjoyment makes people bot.